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>From the IGI The following John Paces were Christened at Prees Shropshire in the 1600s. the LDS Prees parish register microfilm says marriage records didn't start until 1654 JOHN PACE Christening: 24 APR 1615 Prees, Shropshire Father: ROLAND PACE JOHN PACE Christening: 07 JUL 1622 Prees Father: ROBERT PACE JOHN PACE Christening: 20 APR 1637 Prees Father: JOHN PACE JOHN PACE Christening: 20 JUN 1650 Prees Father: JOHN PACE JOHN PACE Christening: 03 OCT 1651 Prees Father: JOHN PACE JOHN PACE Christening: 27 APR 1652 Prees Death: 15 DEC 1660 Father: GIDDION PACE JOHN PACE Christening: 09 JUL 1709 Prees Father: ROWLAND PACE Mother: MARY ----------------- The first record we have on John is that he patented land in 1693. There is absolutely nothing but guesswork before that. Roy Johnson ------------- ...perhaps John was a son of Joseph of Wrockwardine, or perhaps he was a nephew - the son of a brother of Joseph. Keep in mind that I am just speculating here. Charlie Hartley --------------- As you know your DNA study results show that your George was very closely related to John Pace of Middlesex. This John appears to be the one who was baptised in Hungar's Parish, VA in 1662, son of a John Pace and Mary. Nothing is known about this older John but the DNA results imply that he must have come from Shropshire. Perhaps he was an older brother of Joseph. Is anything known about this Joseph? Gordon W. Pace ----------------- I've seen the year 1667 given as the year of John's birth, but I'm not aware of how this date has been obtained. I've looked at my resources and find nothing that supports that date, or any date for that matter. Charlie Hartley --------------- First, John of Middlesex had to be at least 21 (if I understand the law properly) to patent the land in 1693; also, several knowledgable genealogists have suggested that the land was probably already in production before that date, so add a few years. I don't totally understand Oregon Gordon's response about John of Hungar's Parish; since we don't have a descent line on John of Hungar's Parish, how can DNA results imply anything about him? But he is a possible prospect; baptised in 1662 he would have been 31 in 1693, entirely possible. He clearly COULD have been one of the Shropshire Paces, but again this is pure speculation. Roy Johnson ------------- >From the above, it seems we may be looking for a John Pace, parent of John Pace who was at least 21 in 1693, and likely born in the 1660s, maybe Virginia but maybe in the UK and a parent likely born of the Shropshire Paces, likely from the list of John's above. At this point Is it known, for sure, that John Pace of Middlesex's father was also a John? was that based on the fact that a John Pace was baptised in Hungar's Parish, VA in 1662 son of a John Pace and Mary If so, The parent John may have been born in the 1640s era and be one of the Shropshire John Paces in the list above. That would erase him from the John who was in the Wrockwardine PR and a likely brother of Joseph of Wrockwardine Wellington Rodington PRs That John was still having children in Shropshire as late as 7 Oct 1681 at Wellington Shropshire ...his wide was a JONE PACE In the 1720 will of John Pace of Middlesex that Carles Hartley recently made aware at - http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/pacewill/index.html it also shows a Jonane PACE as a daughter of John of Middlesex. there were also a Margrett PACE, Joseph PACE, John PACE and Gordon W. Pace mentioned to me that - Ruth Keyes Clark has proven that John Pace of Middlesex had to have been born between 1657 and 1672, consistent with the 1662 Christening. Child by 1st wife Mary: John Pace b. abt. 1685 to 1692. Children by 2nd wife, Elizabeth Newsome: Sarah b. 4/22/1694 Joseph, Sr. b. 1698 Benjamin b. abt. 1700 Margaret b. 3/15/1701/02 Mary b. 7/23/1704 Jane b. 9/22/1706 Newsome b. 2/6/1707/08 William b. 3/25/1711 George b. 1/15/1713/14 Several of these Christian names fall within the choices found in the Shropshire Pace families Jane Margaret Mary Sarah Joseph George Thomas as an example, as early as 1589 THOMAS PACE Spouse: JANE ARNEWEY Marriage: 14 FEB 1589 HIGH ERCALL (Ercall Magna) MARGARET PACE Chr 15 Sep 1604 PREES Father: Thomas PACE Mother: not mentioned JONE PACE Chr 18 MAY 1600 PREES Father: RD. PACE could be Richard or Rowland We have only Christian names to go by, at the moment I am putting together some early Shropshire PACE Christenings & marriages http://www.phc.igs.net/~gordpace/uk/prees.htm#brothers Gord Pace - Ontario Canada http://www.phc.igs.net/~gordpace/uk/prees.htm

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