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From: "Roy Johnson" <>
Subject: Re: [PACE-L] John of Middlesex
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 21:54:59 -0500
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Did you read the exchange between the two Gordons? That's what they are
speculating also. The following clip is important:

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Also at WROCKWARDINE and nearby WELLINGTON, Shropshire
were found the following Christenings:
John PACE - Batch Number: C037524
Christening: 25 Jan 1675 Wellington Shropshire
Father: John PACE
Mother: Jone
Mary PACE
Christening 12 Dec 1677 Wrockwardine Shropshire
Father: John PACE
Mother: Jone
Hannah PACE - Batch Number: C037524
Christening: 7 Oct 1681 Wellington Shropshire
Father
Mother: Jone PACE
Considering the dates of the Christenings, and that there were no other
Paces
to be found at Wrockwardine or Wellington (about 2 miles away) at that
time,
I figure that this JOHN may have been the brother of JOSEPH, who was father
to my GEORGE and his brother JOHN PACE of Sheriffhales who married Elizabeth
INGLETHORPE.
It looks, strangely enough, that this JOHN may be the John Pace of Middlesex
Co.
Both this JOHN PACE and what looks to be his brother, JOSEPH my 7X gg/f do
not show up again in any Shropshire parish registers, I've come across. May
they have both gone off to Virginia? This is a bit of speculation but look
at
the choice of Christian names in John of Middlesex's family and then look at
the Christian names of the John of Wrockwardine's family and again look at
the Christian names of Joseph's sons JOHN and GEORGE.
The female name of Margaret shows up in ALL families, for generations. Even
in the descendent Pace family that went to Iowa and Kansas, William
Cherrington Pace, descendents of the JOHN PACE who married Elizabeth
INGLETHORPE at Sheriffhales in 1699.

> "This John appears to be the one who was baptised in Hungar's Parish, VA
in
> 1662, son of a John Pace and Mary. Nothing is known about this older John
> but the DNA results imply that he must have come from Shropshire. Perhaps
> he was an older brother of Joseph."
Yes, the Wrockwardine parish register seems to show this is possible. It
would be a good idea to order the microfilm of Wrockwardine and Wellington,
Shropshire, parish registers from Salt Lake City and look for Paces. also
look for PEACE at Shrewsbury, about 10 miles to the west.
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First, John of Middlesex had to be at least 21 (if I understand the law
properly) to patent the land in 1693; also, several knowledgable
genealogists have suggested that the land was probably already in production
before that date, so add a few years. I don't totally understand Oregon
Gordon's response about John of Hungar's Parish; since we don't have a
descent line on John of Hungar's Parish, how can DNA results imply anything
about him? But he is a possible prospect; baptised in 1662 he would have
been 31 in 1993, entirely possible. He clearly COULD have been one of the
Shropshire Paces, but again this is pure speculation.

However, the many name similarities cited by Canadian Gordon make me think
we are on the right track.

Roy Johnson


----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Hartley" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [PACE-L] John of Middlesex


> At 8:35 PM -0500 5/5/03, Roy Johnson wrote:
> >There is no documentary evidence whatsoever for his birth. All dates
given
> >are made up from someone's guesswork.
>
> Okay, since we don't know when John of Middlesex was born, nor who
> his parents were, it follows that we don't know for certain that he
> was even born in America.
>
> Since the DNA evidence seems to suggest that John might have been
> related to the Shropshire Paces, if we look at the ancestry shown at
> [http://pacesociety.org/DNA/donors.html#8033]...
> -----------
> 7. Joseph PACE - Chr 10 Sep 1709 RANTON, Staffordshire + Margaret
> MATHER - m 23 Sept
> --- 1730 at SHARESHILL
> 8. George PACE - Chr 28 May 1670 PREES Shropshire + Elizabeth PICKEN
> - m 30 Dec 1708
> --- RANTON, Staffordshire
> 9. Joseph PACE of WROCKWARDINE Shropshire + Margaret \
> -----------
>
> ...perhaps John was a son of Joseph of Wrockwardine, or perhaps he
> was a nephew - the son of a brother of Joseph. Keep in mind that I am
> just speculating here.
>
> Charlie
>
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