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From: "Roy Johnson" <>
Subject: [PACE-L] DNA - exciting new results
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:23:59 -0500
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Gordon Pace of Canada has just received his test results with an exciting
surprise. He matches exactly with the main John of Middlesex group!

I have stressed that in general, DNA is better at negating that at
affirming, and even a positive match is not proof positive of a close
relationship, but in this case there is a difference. I have grouped the
results on the DNA page according to the matches, and group 2 is the main
John of Middlesex group with three persons, two of them matching 25/25 and
one matching 24/25. Gordon matches 25/25 with the two.

This is a unique group in two ways: Alleles 4, 5, and 6 in this group are
very unusual, with less than a dozen out of 3,000+ submissions to FDTNA
showing 9, 15, 16 in these two markers, and we have three of that dozen (now
four with Gordon). This means that with 25/25 and these three markers the
same, the odds of relationship are greatly increased over a 25/25 match with
other markers. (The others in FTDNA who have these markers in 4, 5, and 6
are not our relatives, however, as too many of the other markers are
different.)

Also, geneticists divide DNA results into "haplogroups (haplo is from the
Greek word for kinship). All other Paces so far except this group fit into
haplogroup R1b, which is described as follows:

"Haplogroup R1b is the most common haplogroup in European populations. It is
believed to have expanded throughout Europe as humans re-colonized after the
last glacial maximum 10-12 thousand years ago."

However, group 2 fits into Haplogroup I, which is described as follows:

"The I, I1, and I1a lineages are nearly completely restricted to
northwestern Europe. These would most likely have been common within Viking
populations. One lineage of this group extends down into central Europe"

So this makes it a totally different lineage from way back, and further
indicates a "tight" possibility of kinship and a near-impossibility of
relationship to the other Paces.

It might be noted that the Normans (William the Conqueror) were originally
Vikings. Also, there were Vikings invading England and even settling in
parts of it.

For us, this means that there is a strong possibility that John came from
Gordon's line, going back to Staffordshire/Shropshire rather than London.

Roy Johnson

Roy Johnson


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